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God As I Might Understand "Him."

I am grateful to amaebi for this suggestion. :)

Worried about that "elephant in the room?"
Why not accept Ganesh as your "Higher Power?"

"Ganesha is Vighneshvara or Vighnaraja or Vighnaharta (Marathi), the Lord of Obstacles, both of a material and spiritual order.  He is popularly worshipped as a remover of obstacles, though traditionally he also places obstacles in the path of those who need to be checked. Paul Courtright says that "his task in the divine scheme of things, his dharma, is to place and remove obstacles. It is his particular territory, the reason for his creation. "

Ganesha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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jayyy
Aug. 14th, 2016 07:53 am (UTC)
AHAHAH-I'M-SO-STUPID-I-WORSHIP-THE-BADGUY-CAUSE-RED-POLITIC-ELEPHANTS-WASNT-WARNING-ENOUGH.PLEASE-STUB-MY-TOES-AND-HURT-MY-BODY-AND-MIND-AND-KILL-MY-CHILDREN-REPUBLICANS.

Ahem. excuse me.

So yeah. Why did Shiva cut off Ganesh's human head?

Hmm?
bobby1933
Aug. 14th, 2016 08:17 am (UTC)
Why did Siva cut off Ganesh's head?
Probably because Hindu Gods were sort of like our God used to be -- jealous. Without his elephant head and his protruding abdomen Ganesha was supposed to have been very beautiful.
jayyy
Aug. 16th, 2016 03:44 am (UTC)
Re: Why did Siva cut off Ganesh's head?
How dare you.

You call the God jealous, when His very name means Good, yet you ignore the silver-ware thieves and the trumpeters of the prison-cage. You will see someday, but until then I suggest you refrain from commenting on God and sit still in that vacuum Dao.
bobby1933
Aug. 16th, 2016 04:37 am (UTC)
Re: Why did Siva cut off Ganesh's head?
Well, Taoism is my cup of tea, it doesn't seem to yours. I accept that and see no point in making further comment about it.

As to the rest, try to understand what i mean rather than what you might imagine that i wrote. You are intelligent.
jayyy
Aug. 16th, 2016 08:39 am (UTC)
Re: Why did Siva cut off Ganesh's head?
Nay, tay is tau mae alsae un an anaemoste.
vaporw
Aug. 14th, 2016 03:07 pm (UTC)
Shiva realized that his great "sacrifice" of drinking poison was in vain - people were misusing money and power and disorder was prevailing in the society. So he went on penance to think about the situation. During his absence, the situation got worse. Following her dharma to restore balance, Goddess Parvati created Ganesh through her powers whose objective was to bring wealth and prosperity i the world. (thats why we associate riddhi-siddhi and shubh-labh with his name). After some time, when Parvati came to know that Shiva is returning, she decided to take a special suchita bath and dress up to meet him. She instructed Ganesha that no-one should be allowed to enter the chamber.

Now Shiva came and went straight to his beloved wife after such a long time, only to be stopped by Ganesha. He told him he is his father, but he didn't relent. Other Gods tried to convince Ganesha to let Shiva in, but he mocked them all. Shiva did not become angry for not being able to see Parvati, but because he saw Ganesha having greed, over confidence, disrespect and ego that had belittled his intelligence. How could Ganesh spread prosperity when he himself had selfishness ? Shiva realized that Ganesha was not fit to fulfill his objective, and punished him by cutting his head. When Parvati came to know.

bobby1933
Aug. 14th, 2016 08:31 pm (UTC)
Yes, thank you.

There are several stories about how Ganesha lost his head.
jayyy
Aug. 16th, 2016 03:47 am (UTC)
Around pigs pretending to hold humanity afloat, all the while failing to realize that their Miami beach Oceanside is turning to a sea of shite. Pigs will play in it gladly, but what does it have to do with man and God?
vaporw
Aug. 20th, 2016 12:36 pm (UTC)
true
jayyy
Aug. 16th, 2016 03:46 am (UTC)
Yessss.
reginaterrae
Aug. 14th, 2016 10:57 am (UTC)
It seems to me that "understanding" God is not necessary. What is necessary is the act of faith, i.e., accepting that there is something greater than ourselves that can restore us to sanity, and the decision to turn our will and our lives over to that something. For many, especially at first, it is the Al-Anon program itself. When I was in Al-Anon, all those many years ago, a woman said one evening that her Higher Power was a doorknob. In retrospect maybe she meant that the doorknob had the power to get her out of a situation. But as I took it at the time, it was simply an object outside of herself onto which she projected Godness, maybe deliberately chosen for being so mundane and unreligious so as to avoid any association with her negative experience of "God" as she had previously understood "Him". Sort of deliberately ludicrous, but meant to function as any other pagan idol, statue of a saint, all the physical icons to which we assign sacredness.

For me, Christianity is in some sense like that doorknob ... I don't believe in it because of any internal logic of its own, I believe God is far beyond it, far beyond anything Christianity has to say about God. But I find that I have to come down from the Cloud of Unknowing in order to stay close to the ineffable God. In order for me to relate to God, I need a story, a picture, sacramental objects and gestures and practices. It is all metaphoric, all symbolic, but the more I can enter into it, the more I meditate on the Incarnation, and feel as if I have been fed on God in the Eucharist, and the more I practice the ritual devotions, for example, the more in touch I feel with the God who probably was never incarnate of the Virgin Mary and who is probably not today a dish of tasteless little crackers and a cup of wine. But I "believe" He is that bread and wine -- that is, I choose to treat the sacrament as if it were a sacrament, an "efficacious sign of grace" as the catechism calls sacraments. It is a sign, but it is no less efficacious for that, as long as I look beyond the surface of it to the Unknowable God. I go to Confess my failings and receive ritual Absolution, and I make a decision to turn my will and my life over by letting go of whatever faults and failings I have yet again gotten weighed down by since the last time, letting go of them as if the sacrament really did nullify them and I can start over, yet again.

The God of my "understanding" is willing to be approached through signs and symbols, stories and poetry. "He" could perfectly well be and is found in Ganesh, or Pachamama, or any other of the myriad forms and understandings people have dressed the ineffable in. It's like putting clothes on the Invisible Man -- he's not the clothes, but if you want to see what he's doing, you can only follow the movement of the clothes. It could as easily be a pink tutu or a kimono or a train of bone beads and eagle feathers as a brown suit. It's when he steps out of the clothes and we continue to watch their emptiness with the same attention, or pick them up and wave them around ourselves and call them animated, that the Invisible Man gets away from us. So to speak. And then people see us holding up the empty suit of clothes and say "your God is a silly myth!" But God is not a myth, it's our human mind that needs the myth in order to interact with the ineffable God. And God, in my experience, is perfectly willing to descend from ineffability into whatever outfit, whatever myth, suits the individual human psyche.

And now, this comment seems to have grown into a post, so I'm going to copy it into my own journal. Later though, because it's also taken a long time to put down and I need to get on my way.

Loving you, my brother.
Regina

Edited at 2016-08-14 10:58 am (UTC)
bobby1933
Aug. 14th, 2016 08:37 pm (UTC)
Yes, i like this.
And pretty much agree.
"Faith is acceptance of emptiness and silence."
It takes faith to create the Fog Of Forgetting.
It takes faith to work a 12 step program.
jayyy
Aug. 16th, 2016 03:56 am (UTC)
Faith is knowing because you don't need convinced.

Convincing yourself that nothingnesses provide REASON for faith is the REASON for your faithlessness.

Keep following reason, and you'll never get to know the infinitudes of the clear spaces. Faith is required step 1.
jayyy
Aug. 16th, 2016 03:52 am (UTC)
Krishna points to Arjuna to show Him a thousand elephants, into the horizons.

Each a family.

Arjuna looks only at the God, the true God, upside down and rightside up, hardly seeing Krishna at all.

The flute plays music, but the eyes of Him are on God. I will trust in Jesus and His incarnations over this inveritable sea of infants.
vaporw
Aug. 14th, 2016 03:07 pm (UTC)
Shiva realized that his great "sacrifice" of drinking poison was in vain - people were misusing money and power and disorder was prevailing in the society. So he went on penance to think about the situation. During his absence, the situation got worse. Following her dharma to restore balance, Goddess Parvati created Ganesh through her powers whose objective was to bring wealth and prosperity i the world. (thats why we associate riddhi-siddhi and shubh-labh with his name). After some time, when Parvati came to know that Shiva is returning, she decided to take a special suchita bath and dress up to meet him. She instructed Ganesha that no-one should be allowed to enter the chamber.

Now Shiva came and went straight to his beloved wife after such a long time, only to be stopped by Ganesha. He told him he is his father, but he didn't relent. Other Gods tried to convince Ganesha to let Shiva in, but he mocked them all. Shiva did not become angry for not being able to see Parvati, but because he saw Ganesha having greed, over confidence, disrespect and ego that had belittled his intelligence. How could Ganesh spread prosperity when he himself had selfishness ? Shiva realized that Ganesha was not fit to fulfill his objective, and punished him by cutting his head. When Parvati came to know.
bobby1933
Aug. 14th, 2016 08:38 pm (UTC)
Thank you.
jayyy
Aug. 16th, 2016 03:57 am (UTC)
oxygen
Do you know that which this poison was?

Do you know that which why he turneth blue?

Edited at 2016-08-16 03:57 am (UTC)
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