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Answer for question 4608.

Donald Trump as presidential candidate -- what's your opinion? Among your circles of friends and family, is your opinion the norm or does your opinion of him differ from those around you?
Well, the Donald, so far as i know never spent time in jail for a barroom fight, and his book, i am told since i have not read it, does not have too much resemblance to Mein Kampf. Still i would not trust him one tenth as far as i could throw him, and my physical abilities are very limit. But i would not vote for any of the other Republican frontrunners either. In fact, in my mind the word "republican" has become so tinged with right wing protestant evangelicalism and pandering to the wealthy they no longer should be able to claim to represent the majority of Americans. Even sadder they will betray the religious right - who are a large segment of the population, but they will not betray the wealthy -- the one percent.

I want my candidate to be electable and competent; but neither of these things are my central concern.
I want a candidate who stands for what i stand for and who will not betray the poor of the U.S. or the world.

BERNIE 2016

Does my opinion differ from those around me? I live in Idaho.

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baron_waste
Feb. 5th, 2016 11:03 am (UTC)
“The Song Remains the Same”


“Bush is Hitler!  Bush is Hitler!  Bush is Hitler!”

Oh, I guess I'm not supposed to remember all that - now…



<=\\=\\=\\=\\=>


There was, of course, no admission that any change had taken place. Merely
it became known, with extreme suddenness and everywhere at once, that
Eastasia and not Eurasia was the enemy. Winston was taking part in a
demonstration in one of the central London squares at the moment when it
happened…

On a scarlet-draped platform an orator of the Inner Party, a small
lean man with disproportionately long arms and a large bald skull over
which a few lank locks straggled, was haranguing the crowd. A little
Rumpelstiltskin figure, contorted with hatred, he gripped the neck of the
microphone with one hand while the other, enormous at the end of a bony
arm, clawed the air menacingly above his head. His voice, made metallic by
the amplifiers, boomed forth an endless catalogue of atrocities, massacres,
deportations, lootings, rapings, torture of prisoners, bombing of
civilians, lying propaganda, unjust aggressions, broken treaties. It was
almost impossible to listen to him without being first convinced and then
maddened…

The speech had been proceeding for perhaps
twenty minutes when a messenger hurried on to the platform and a scrap of
paper was slipped into the speaker's hand. He unrolled and read it without
pausing in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner, or in the
content of what he was saying, but suddenly the names were different.
Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd.
Oceania was at war with Eastasia! The next moment there was a tremendous
commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated
were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong faces on them. It was
sabotage! The agents of Goldstein had been at work! There was a riotous
interlude while posters were ripped from the walls, banners torn to shreds
and trampled underfoot. The Spies performed prodigies of activity in
clambering over the rooftops and cutting the streamers that fluttered from
the chimneys. But within two or three minutes it was all over. The orator,
still gripping the neck of the microphone, his shoulders hunched forward,
his free hand clawing at the air, had gone straight on with his speech.
One minute more, and the feral roars of rage were again bursting from the
crowd. The Hate continued exactly as before, except that the target had
been changed.
  [emphasis mine ]

The thing that impressed Winston in looking back was that the speaker had
switched from one line to the other actually in midsentence, not only
without a pause, but without even breaking the syntax…


<=\\=\\=\\=\\=>


I still remember how the producers of Saturday Night Live decided that they had a “higher purpose” than merely being entertaining, that generating anti-Reagan propaganda to affect the 1984 election was their true mission, and they threw out any bourgeois counterrevolutionary notions of “humorous”…  It being a comedy show, people continued to laugh uneasily from the expectation of humor as one thoroughly nasty, viciously unfunny political “skit” followed another, on and on, week after week…

Reagan won reelection by a historic landslide, and SNL's ratings never recovered. 

And what do we learn from this, comrades of the collectivist Left?

Nothing!  Bush is Hitler Bump is Hitler Trump is Hitler…!”



Edited at 2016-02-05 07:37 pm (UTC)
bobby1933
Feb. 5th, 2016 07:57 pm (UTC)
Re: “The Song Remains the Same”
I never thought W. was Hitler. No, i never liked him, never though he should have been president, disagreed with almost all of his policies, and thought that he was deceitful on many levels. But i did not think that he was a hitler (or even a john foster dulles.)
Trump, i'm not sure about.
How does he propose going about repairing "Broken America?"
I'm not sure that most of the people who voted for Hitler in 1933 knew what they were getting themselves into.
baron_waste
Feb. 5th, 2016 08:38 pm (UTC)
Re: “The Song Remains the Same”


You think more than did the people who chanted “Bush is Hitler,” to whom the chanting of approved slogans is a safe alternative to dangerous independent thought.

Other versions of Trump's basic platform have been floated before - you may remember Newt Gingrich's “Contract with America.”  They're all based on the same basic premise; as P J O'Rourke put it, “The real question is not how Washington works, but how to make it stop.”


        This concise and eloquent manifesto shows how the excess of government
        regulations does not protect Americans but instead acts as legal quicksand,
        stifling growth and creating paralyzing overbureaucratization.  Using
        blood-boiling examples of government regulations run amok, Howard reveals a
        society in which rules have replaced thinking - allowing law to infiltrate
        the nooks and crannies of everyday life…

        The Death of Common Sense:  How Law is Suffocating America, by P K Howard


[As he says, for example, no one wants to eliminate environmental protection - but the trillions of dollars worth of regulation cooked up by bureaucrats in windowless offices in Washington bear almost no relation to the actual problems, and blind adherence to them often makes the situation worse! ]

R Reagan said, “We are a nation with a government, not the other way around,” and whether its the relatively benevolent Bernie Sanders or Comrade Hillary, “the American Evita,” the Democratic contenders seem convinced that it IS “the other way around.”  Only those who ride on their coattails seem to agree, but they're an influential bunch in their own right.

bobby1933
Feb. 5th, 2016 09:52 pm (UTC)
Re: “The Song Remains the Same”
Thinking, but completrely unpersuaded.
mamculuna
Feb. 5th, 2016 02:28 pm (UTC)
Not from Idaho, but answering anyway! I see huge problems with all Republicans--even if Trump dropped out tomorrow, Cruz and Rubio are right there with their own intolerance and basic shilling for corporations and the rich.

I hear what you're saying about wanting a candidate who really stands for the right things, but I want something more. I really like Bernie's Ideas, and understand his appeal. I think it's possible he could get elected, but I have two real problems with him. One, most important, is that I don't see how he could possibly put his ideas in place, given that we will have a Republican house, no matter what, thanks to redistricting, and even if he brings in a lot of new voters, the Senate will still be a question--is he going to bring in enough new Senate seats to provide a 60 vote majority? I'd be more of a supporter if he explained how he plans to work through that obstacle. I'm also concerned that we just don't know if he really has a firm grasp of all the foreign-policy issues. Last night, his focus on North Korea as the biggest world problem really concerned me--NK is bad, true, but Hillary's explanation of the Russian pressure on Europe showed much more understanding of what's going on in the world, to me.

Now Hillary is not a great savior, either. I agree that she has too many ties to big money, and often has waited until a position became popular before supporting it--Iraq, gay rights, etc. I don't think her lack of personal charm is helping her or will help in the general.

So I don't see anybody out there to really love. I'll wait until one of the Democrats wins and support that person fully against the Republicans. None of these candidates is really what I want, which I guess is a reincarnation of FDR.
bobby1933
Feb. 5th, 2016 08:15 pm (UTC)
If Hillary is nominated, i will vote for her, not that it will have any effect, the last Democrat that won in Idaho was FDR and i am not sure he did. I will vote for Hillary but tell my wife that it was a secret ballot or that i did not cast a vote for President.
mamculuna
Feb. 5th, 2016 10:42 pm (UTC)
I understand that there are problems with Hillary, but they're nothing like the problems with the currently available Republicans! Good for you.
pondhopper
Feb. 5th, 2016 03:21 pm (UTC)
The Republican candidates make me cringe for my birth country.
I like both democratic candidates but tend towards Bernie.
bobby1933
Feb. 5th, 2016 08:17 pm (UTC)
Too bad you can't vote in American elections. Or can you?
pondhopper
Feb. 5th, 2016 09:05 pm (UTC)
Yes, I can and do. I am a US citizen!
bobby1933
Feb. 5th, 2016 09:43 pm (UTC)
Can you also vote in Spain's elections?
velvetechos
Feb. 7th, 2016 04:05 pm (UTC)

In Idaho, and with you on Bernie, although I am not sure my vote represents the majority of Idaho voters either ;)


Although, if the late teens - early 30s crowd go out in greater numbers we might see a shift in what is generally accepted as representative of Idaho, especially with the amount of people that have been moving in and out of the state.

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