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Answer for question 4529.

For U.S. users and other interested parties -- did you watch the Democrat party candidates debate last night? What did you think of it? Who were the big winners and losers of the debate in your opinion?
I did not watch the debates as soon as i learned Bernie Sanders was running and Elizabeth Warren wasn't i knew who i will vote for. When we caucus, i will sit in the Bernie Sanders section. If there are not enough of us to elect a delegate, i will join the uncommitted bloc. In the final go round, if things go as i fear they will. i will probably vote for Hillary Clinton in November 20i6 -- but don't tell my wife!
As for the debate, from what i've heard Hillary probably won but Bernie held his own pretty well. I still know nothing about the other candidates that might make me inclined to vote for any of them.

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amaebi
Oct. 15th, 2015 10:05 am (UTC)
Does Dianne dislike Former-Secretary Clinton?
bobby1933
Oct. 15th, 2015 06:47 pm (UTC)
Dianne has a very short shit list. It is difficult to get on it and very difficult to get of. She did not like the way Hillary reacted to Bill's affairs; and saw her as too much a political animal.
amaebi
Oct. 15th, 2015 09:14 pm (UTC)
Interesting. What response from Ms. Clinton would Dianne have preferred?

Myself, I think marriages so mysterious- typically even to their participants- that I seldom make judgments about them.
bobby1933
Oct. 15th, 2015 10:07 pm (UTC)
"The vast right wing conspiracy" were an accurate characterization of the attacks on Bill Clinton. but it was not Hillary's place to point that out She was more than Bill's political ally... Oh, hell, i don't know what response she should have made -- just no the one she did.

I guess we (i) are (am) unable to understand the mind set of the elites, but whatever it is, it is not based on greater wisdom, intelligence, or knowledge. I hate to think that it is nothing more than a sense of being immune from the consequences of mortal sin.

I think politics (like real estate development) puts people too close to the taint of evil. When a celebrity husband cheats, the wife should be allowed a wifely response and should not be asked to make a celebrity response. "I have no comment that i wish to make public right now," would be appropriate. Or perhaps: "The son of-a-bitch ought to have his balls cut off."
amaebi
Oct. 16th, 2015 11:38 pm (UTC)
Huh.

Thanks.
e_d_young
Oct. 18th, 2015 03:12 am (UTC)
Do you think Bernie's democratic socialism will actually work in the U.S.? That's the question that's been in the back of my mind since I began looking into his platform.
bobby1933
Oct. 18th, 2015 03:46 pm (UTC)
No, of course you are right. American culture is antagonistic toward socialism and is becoming more so. Eugene Debs got only 5.99 percent of the votes in 1920. And this is not 1919 and Sanders is no Debs. American socialists are far less unified than they were in 1920.

But (democratic) socialism represents my values and my interests better than any other existing political party. (Anarchism is not a political theory but an anti-political theory, and so i probably should not vote at all.) I cannot vote for a person or a party just because i think he/it might win. Asked to choose between two "evils" i will choose neither, and given a chance to vote for Bernie Sanders, i will.

If Sanders should become the Democratic candidate, he will run as a Democrat.
He will be constrained by our political system and its division of powers. But his heart will be in the right place and he will fight for a just and equal and fair society as hard as possible. I cannot trust any of the Republican candidates or very many of the Democratic candidates to do that.

Edited at 2015-10-18 03:57 pm (UTC)
e_d_young
Oct. 18th, 2015 05:11 pm (UTC)
I was thinking in a vein similar to what you expressed in your last paragraph.

If Bernie does become president, it's not like he'll get everything he wants. I do anticipate he'll be able to move policy a little bit towards a more "progressive" position.

As much as I feel supportive towards him I can't commit my vote because we probably have very different ideas on taxes and wealth redistribution. I'll take my time deciding.
bobby1933
Oct. 18th, 2015 07:23 pm (UTC)
:)
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