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"You venture to call Ferdinand a wise ruler — he who has impoverished his own country and enriched mine!" - Bayezid II
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When Spain expelled its Jewish population, the Ottoman Empire took them in.   This helped give the Ottomans another 400 years and started the decline of Spain as a world power almost before it started its rise.  Now Germany is playing the role of the Ottomans while Syria plays the role of Spain.

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pondhopper
Sep. 11th, 2015 05:25 pm (UTC)
Hmmm...it is far more complicated than that as regards Spain historically and we cannot really compare two such different times in history.
bobby1933
Sep. 11th, 2015 05:52 pm (UTC)
I'm sure you are right.
That was just off the top of my head.

But some descendants of former immigrants
Seem to lose all perspective
when this year's immigrants come along.
pondhopper
Sep. 11th, 2015 07:04 pm (UTC)
And what we are seeing at present is not immigration but the fleeing from civil and religious war, destruction and a certain death. These are refugees, not immigrants, a very different situation.
It is horrifying.


Edited at 2015-09-11 07:08 pm (UTC)
bobby1933
Sep. 11th, 2015 09:37 pm (UTC)
Of course it is horrifying and i would say nothing to dismiss that horror.

But there are almost always "pull" and "push" factors when people leave, even if they have total freedom or if they are under lethal force. Some Syrians are choosing to stay in Syria. Also, discarded passports and identification are scattered about suggesting that people think they might do better as "undocumented" Syrians than as Iraqis, Afghanis, or Pakistanis.

Many of the immigrants to the U.s. in the 19th and early 20th Century (Irish, Eastern European Jews) would be hard to distinguish from rejugees -- were in fact refugees.
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