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There are always American Flags on display around here, in the next few days their number will be multiplied many times over.  Frequently i see the black flag of the wannabe Islamic State of Syria and the Levant (which always makes me think of the Jolly Roger)  Almost daily i am asked to sign petitions to ban the CSA battle flag in some form or other.

It might surprise some people to know that i have chosen not to sign any of these petitions.

I wouldn't care about flags one way or another if it wasn't  for the fuss made about them.  Some people  treat some flags like they were living things and more important than actual people.  They are not!  They are signs and symbols that can be interpreted in many different ways.  I think about flags about the way the NRA thinks about guns but for the opposite reason.  Unlike gums, flags very rarelly kill people, althjough people with flags frequently do.

As forms of art, they do not rise above a rather crude and uninspired level, asking the people of a nation to treat their national flag with respect seems to me an insult to the citizens from whom this obesience is requested.  State flags are, of course, a step down,  always to be displayed below the national flag.  As to the flags of other countries; most non-citizens treat them for what they are, pieces of cloth.

At one time i thought of adopting the United Nations flag as my own.  I never did, and now it seems like a rather silly idea.  Most of a person's problems are caused by his or her own state rather than by any foreign entity.  Adopting the UN flag might suggest that i'm suggesting a superstate from which their would be no relief short of divine intervention..

I probably will forego the display of any flag.  It would be remiss of me to take offense at anyone who chose differently.

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baron_waste
Jul. 1st, 2015 01:43 am (UTC)
Re: Vexillology

If anyone displayed a black flag here they'd get away with it because no one would know what it was; they'd figure it was some rock band's promo merchandise.

State flags are, of course, a step down, always to be displayed below the national flag

Ah hah!  Not true!  Because the Republic of Texas joined the Union by treaty, rather than by annexation, alone of all the State flags the Lone Star Flag is flown alongside Old Glory, not subordinate to it!  True fact.

     “Son, never ask a man where he is from; if he is from Texas he will tell you
     so, and if he is not, there is no need to cause him embarrassment.”

Edited at 2015-07-01 01:57 am (UTC)

bobby1933
Jul. 1st, 2015 02:31 am (UTC)
Re: Vexillology
I did not know about the Texas flag. Thank you.
baron_waste
Jul. 1st, 2015 03:40 am (UTC)
Re: Vexillology


And, now you know (if you didn't) what “vexillology” is - the study of flags.

amaebi
Jul. 1st, 2015 01:57 am (UTC)
Agreed about flags having a sociological position that is, in the US, typically hierarchically superior to that of human beings.

I dislike all flags of polities and forces, including sports teams. They all derive from warfare. Of which I am so not a fan.
bobby1933
Jul. 1st, 2015 02:32 am (UTC)
Yes.
baron_waste
Jul. 1st, 2015 01:58 am (UTC)
Re: Vexillology


Plus, as I had occasion to mention to someone here just recently,


     Meanwhile, even as the professional racists are tub-thumping and screeching
     about the second Confederate Naval Jack, which was in use for only two (2)
     years - what they call “the Confederate flag” - the true flag of the
     Confederate States of America flies from every court-house and government
     building in the State of Georgia, and those with the education these lack,
     grinned when they pulled off that coup under their very noses.  Neener
     neener!



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bobby1933
Jul. 1st, 2015 02:50 am (UTC)
Re: Vexillology
I forgot about Missouri and Kentucky which were claimed by both USA and CSA so i wondered why the flag had thirteen srars and figured it must refer to the thirteen original colonies and therefore was not a Confederate flag. My bad.
baron_waste
Jul. 1st, 2015 03:56 am (UTC)
Re: Vexillology
Well, see, Richmond was being optimistic.  Wikipedia states it succinctly:

     The Confederacy recognized the pro-Confederate claimants in both
     Kentucky and Missouri and laid claim to those states, granting them
     Congressional representation and adding two stars to the
     Confederate flag.

'Cuz after all, if the original War of Secession (which it was) had thirteen stars, well, it would be only fitting if they did too.  You wanna split hairs, picky, picky…

[Just as various wags have pointed out that “Captain America” with his costume bearing a single white star on blue field above red and white stripes is actually el Capitan Puerto Rico. O well, y' know, so it goes…]

bobby1933
Jul. 1st, 2015 03:00 am (UTC)
Re: Vexillology
Incidentally, i think wisdom, justice, moderation is a great motto, and a great set of values, and all deserve protection under a constitution
vaporw
Jul. 1st, 2015 12:35 pm (UTC)
My American flag reminds me of everyone who has put their life on the line for me to enjoy my freedoms. Not saying the US is perfect, but we have more liberties and protection than some countries. I too, see it as a representation of the people, not the place.
bobby1933
Jul. 3rd, 2015 09:58 pm (UTC)
I'm glad that you feel that way.
I can't muster up that feeling myself.
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